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Letting a (secondary) antagonist leave mid story - Should it be avoided?

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I have a powerful antagonist perform important functions within my story. At the midpoint, he just leaves. Several Plot developments depend on this character.

I tried replacing him with other character(s) or causes within my world, but I am getting into extremly convoluted territory with it and I am really uneasy and not satisfied with those solutions.

There is still a main antagonist and another secondary antagonist in the story, so conflict is not the issue.

Do you think letting a major player leave mid-story should be avoided at all costs?

Is there a way to mitigate potential maleffects?

NOTE: We witness his departure by ship mid story from the point of view of another character.

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One way to make the leaving of that secondary antagonist satisfying could be if it gives a problem for the protagonist. Now how could an antagonist leaving be a problem? Well, it is a problem if the protagonist's plans against the other antagonists required the presence of that antagonist.

Maybe the plan of the protagonist was to plot a clever scheme against the antagonists, causing the two secondary antagonists to go against the main antagonist together (not knowing that they themselves have been manipulated, of course). With the main antagonist gone and the secondary antagonists weakened by the fight, it would be much easier to win against them.

But now as the intrigue begins to work out, the one secondary antagonist gets too afraid of the main antagonist and leaves. The other antagonist, seeing that he has no chance alone, now decides to side with the main antagonist, making it look like all that already happened was solely the fault of the now gone secondary antagonist.

In other words, not only did the protagonist's original plan fail, but in addition the problem got even worse, since now the remaining antagonists are united instead of fighting each other.

In short, if the secondary antagonist leaving mid-story makes things worse for the protagonist, it is a good thing for the story.

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The real question is, at the end of the book is the reader going to wonder "But what about …?"?

If the character wasn't especially interesting and didn't leave loose ends, then there is no need for a reappearance. But too often, that isn't the case.

The film "Vertigo", suffers from this problem with the character Midge Wood, who simply disappears from the film as if she had never existed. For me it would be a better film if a few small scenes were simply deleted, such as when she spies on Scottie's apartment entrance, so that she would be less interesting and not missed.

In the novel Crime and Punishment, the character of police Inspector Porfiry Petrovich is even more interesting, perhaps more so than the lead character. He is someone you want to know more about and to see more of, but without explanation he simply disappears from the last half of the novel, a time when his appearance would be most expected. It isn't until a century later that he reappears on television as police detective Lieutenant Columbo.

So, yes, it is acceptable for a character to disappear, but it needs to happen in a way that doesn't leave the reader expecting a reappearance that frustratingly never happens.

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There are three types of conflict in fiction, man vs man, man vs nature, and man vs self. Man vs man and man vs nature are not particularly interesting in themselves without the element of man vs self. Man vs man by itself is just a matter of capacity. The strong man wins. Man vs self, makes man vs man interesting. Will Rocky find the courage to come back in the fight with Apollo Creed, who clearly outclasses him as a boxer. Adrien! Love of a good woman give Rocky the boost he needs in the man vs self conflict to beat the man who should beat him. That is a story.

If the man vs self conflict is at the heart of most stories, it is sparked by the man vs man or man vs nature conflict. Rocky does not have to find his courage at all if there is no Apollo Creed threatening to punch his lights out. The man vs man and man vs nature conflicts are catalysts for the man vs self conflict.

The antagonist (as person) is the provider of man vs man conflict. The fundamental arc of most stories is the escalating man vs self conflict. If your protagonist had done all that they need to do in the way of providing man vs man conflict and the protagonists man vs self conflict can proceed to its final consummation without further intervention from the antagonist, then by all means put the antagonist on the end of a rocket and push the red button.

But if the departure of the antagonist removes the impetus for the man vs self conflict, then the whole story will collapse in a puddle of goo. Only you can know which of these is true for your story.

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Your story has to make sense, the plot has to make sense.

It has to seem like the characters are making realistic decisions for their situation, with their goals. What they say and do cannot come out of nowhere, or be left unexplained. How they do it cannot come out of nowhere, or be left unexplained.

When your readers say "WTF, where did that come from?" or "Ohhhhh, reaallllly," or "What a fortunate coincidence!" then you have likely built a Deus Ex Machina, something that is going to take them out of the reverie of reading about your world back into the real world, where they realize a bad author is behind this story, and the characters and setting are just puppets.

An antagonist cannot disappear for no good reason.

The reason has to appear realistic to the reader, make sense to the reader, and cannot look like just "good luck" for the main character(s). You cannot just make up some coincidence that kills the antagonist, or turns him back to the light side, or or makes him leave so he's out of the way. You have robbed the MC of their responsibility to deal with the antagonists.

A story is about the MC confronting adversity, a problem, something wrong with the world, and either prevailing or failing or some combination of both, at the end, prevailing with their wits and skills despite their mistakes and weaknesses, or failing because of their weaknesses despite their wits and skills.

If you just get rid of an antagonist by surprise, that is not the MC either prevailing or failing, it is just nothing. In real life, a girl being bullied in school might find relief when the bully's family relocates to another state. But that isn't a good story, the bullied girl did not solve her problem, she suffered bullying and then it stopped. She did not show any courage or cleverness or fighting back, she did not learn anything, and did not accomplish anything.

Your antagonist can leave, or die, or go to jail, but if your protagonist has nothing to do with that, then you don't have a good story. Even if it is not the main antagonist. You cannot "save" your protagonist by just making the antagonist give up and go elsewhere.

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