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Q&A Is the following deus-ex-machina? If so, should I remove it?

If Li-Mei gets laughed at the Animal Behaviour class and gets attention of the founder and if all of this happens right before the first act ends or the first 20-22% of the novel which sets her sto...

posted 9y ago by Amin Mohamed Ajani‭  ·  last activity 5y ago by System‭

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#3: Attribution notice added by user avatar System‭ · 2019-12-08T04:22:30Z (about 5 years ago)
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#2: Initial revision by user avatar Amin Mohamed Ajani‭ · 2019-12-08T04:22:30Z (about 5 years ago)
If Li-Mei gets laughed at the Animal Behaviour class and gets attention of the founder and if all of this happens right before the first act ends or the first 20-22% of the novel which sets her story goal and the story question, it's not a Deus ex Machina.

If it doesn't happen in the first act and happens elsewhere and entering the club is crucial for the story to move forward, it is a Deus ex Machina and you should remove coincidences and make her work for it.

**Why it's not deus ex machina if it happens on the first 20-22% and not if it happens after?**

Because it sets the story goal when in 1st act. That scene (and other scenes in the 1st act) will aid her or give motivation to solve the story question too. Elsewhere, it becomes a coincidence to move the story forward for which she will have to work for the course of the novel.

A deus ex machina happens when the writer has gone to deep and generated so many conflicts that even he doesn't know how the protagonist will find a way out. So, the writer comes up with a sudden coincidence which fixes things and moves the story forward keeping the protagonist's motivation intact.

The scene in the first act will lead her towards finding motivation. That's why it's not a deus ex machina in the first act. (It's more in the lines of being an inciting incident. Inciting incidents usually sets the protagonist towards the end of the first act where he/she must make a decision which again leads to having motivation and sets story goal and all. Coincidences are fine when it comes to inciting incidents. More about inciting incident [here](https://writers.stackexchange.com/questions/6618/how-applicable-are-screenwriting-ideas-to-novels/6622#6622) and [here](http://blog.karenwoodward.org/2014/02/the-inciting-incident-vs-call-to-adventure.html).)

If the scene is in the second act or elsewhere, she already has the motivation and her goals set - she's running after something. Maybe the plot requires her to meet with the club founder. Which means it's a link making her move closer to completing the story goal. And if that link is 'given' to her by a coincidence, it becomes a deus ex machina.

#1: Imported from external source by user avatar System‭ · 2015-06-19T08:56:38Z (over 9 years ago)
Original score: 6