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Q&A Where does the "black moment" fall in a novel?

I'm currently learning about story structure and there's not much consensus on the "black moment" or "all is lost lull" that happens around Act 2. Is this moment of defeat before or after the secon...

4 answers  ·  posted 7y ago by pbjtoast‭  ·  last activity 4y ago by System‭

#3: Attribution notice added by user avatar System‭ · 2019-12-08T06:12:26Z (over 4 years ago)
Source: https://writers.stackexchange.com/q/27056
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#2: Initial revision by user avatar pbjtoast‭ · 2019-12-08T06:12:26Z (over 4 years ago)
I'm currently learning about story structure and there's not much consensus on the "black moment" or "all is lost lull" that happens around Act 2. Is this moment of defeat before or after the second plot point? Or rather _is_ it the second plot point? Does it matter? Is it a matter of preference for the writer?

#1: Imported from external source by user avatar System‭ · 2017-03-07T03:46:17Z (about 7 years ago)
Original score: 5