One of the best pieces of advice I've read, which I didn't believe at all when I first started writing (I think it was either Natalie Goldberg or Anne Lamott who said it, and either way every writer should read Writing Down The Bones and Bird by Bird) was don't hold onto your writing gems because you think they're gold dust and deserve a bigger, better project or worry that better ideas won't come further down the line. They will and they will be brighter.

When I wrote my first novel I thought, I'll never come up with another idea this good, this has to be the best idea I'll ever get. I held onto it and honed it and honed it until I'd flogged the damn thing to death.

Then I wrote my second novel and thought, no, no THIS is the best idea I've ever had. This is it, if I can't sell this, I can't sell ANYTHING. This is the end of the idea road, it doesn't get any better.

And then I came up with my idea for my third novel!! :)

So, when you have something that feels like gold, don't cling on to it for dear life. Don't hold anything back. Put it all in and put it out there. Don't be afraid. Even though you can't see it, just around the corner there's a bigger pot gold just sitting there waiting for you. And what's more exciting is that with every project, you're better equipped to handle what's in the pot!

All the luck in the world to you.

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GGx - Reinstate Monica Cellio‭

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If you want to be a writer -- that is, someone who writes for a living -- as opposed specifically to being a novelist, then the money is in business writing: technical writing, science writing, marketing writing, medical writing, etc, etc.

These are all reliable and lucrative careers that allow you to pay the mortgage and raise a family. They all require something more than just the ability to write. You need to develop an interest and expertise in the subject you want to write about. Trying to patch together a living picking up freelance gigs on the web will not pay the bills reliably. But someone who can write well about subjects in demand will have a secure career just like any other white collar professional.

If you also want to be a novelist, that is what evenings and weekends are for. And retirement.

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I'm not a pro, but I do have a journalism degree and I've been published. I'm also older, and things I might have been precious about in the past have been beaten out of me.

Read deliberately, like a copy editor. In fact, you should learn to copy edit. If you're not doing fiction, you should learn fact checking, which is technically part of copy editing.

Which is to say, don't be sentimental, make sure what you say is accurate, and stop adding words and phrases and paragraphs that don't add anything.

Myself, and so many others, start out so in love with our own voice, as if each word we write is set to a melody everyone loves to hear. In practice, most people just want to transfer the information from the copy on the page or screen into their brain.

Relentless efficiency, accuracy and clarity over cleverness.

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fearofmusic‭

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I have another answer, earlier, about motivations. I am not combining this one into it, because it answers the question more literally.

The most fundamental advice I can give that I wish I had known, which would have let me write more prolifically and better to start, is that discovery writing (pantsing) can and does work, that you do not have to devise a plot to write a good story, is this:

You do not have to plan what happens throughout the book and then stick to an outline like it is a year long chore.

For me, plot outlines sapped the life out of my story and made for (IMO) bad writing. It wasn't new; characters felt forced and the events felt un-spontaneous. The whole idea of writing a "Hero's Journey" felt like signing up for an interminable, predictable, boring chore.

What I personally enjoy about writing is finding characters as I write, and finding their adventure as I write, and finding the conflicts as I write. They go where they will, they are always in character, there is always cause and effect and it doesn't feel "contrived" or make no sense, neither heroes or villains have to be stupid for the plot to progress: The heroes do the smartest thing they can with their information at hand, the villains also do that, they are both driven to win or die trying, and the story ends up somewhere, at some end-point. It cannot go on forever!

In early days, writing for fun, I was tricked by reading books on how to write that all focused on outlines, character profiles and histories, planning victories and setbacks and twists, and turned writing into a chore as boring as planning how to get materials to a construction site on time in the order they would be needed. Like counting how many 2x4s you need to complete a blueprint. Like programming fifty input screens for a tax program. That turned writing into accounting, balancing the books with debits and credits in character arcs, making sure all the peaks and valleys wove together correctly.

Discovery Writing Works.

A book can start with me imagining ONE character doing ONE cool thing. I can generalize their ability to do that ONE cool thing into a "talent" that leads to a story. I can write that scene, and the obvious aftermath, and that will help me decide who that character is: I don't even have to decide first if she is the hero or villain or something in-between; I write what she does and find out.

I admit that discovery writing can demand (for me) throwing out beginnings, throwing out scenes I have written and rewritten several times, changing the plot to avoid dead ends or premature endings, and other wastes of time.

I have read that Plodders (oops, I meant Plotters) have trouble with the middle, Discovery writers sail through the middles but tend to have trouble with endings. I find this to be true, as a result I always have a detailed "description" (not an outline) of the ending of whatever story I am writing, which I revise when it no longer becomes tenable. In my last story I had three different endings, and each time I decided to change, I went through the whole story and double-checked and revised as need to make sure the new ending would still fit.

So although I am improvising my scenes as I go, I am writing toward an ending that ties up all loose ends, reveals whatever mysteries need to be revealed, and fulfill all the "promises" I made in the story. But that is a secondary piece of advice I offer to solve a problem in discovery writing. So is the idea of writing to see if it works while being perfectly willing to throw it away. The most important piece of practical advice is this:

Do not be daunted that nearly all advice on writing is essentially for plodders. Discovery writers are a minority, but it works. It flows better with continuous and plausible cause-and-effect from end to end, because everything you wrote was Domino A falling to knock over Domino B. It makes some of the best-selling fiction on the market.

You can get much great advice from books on writing, especially on conveying emotions, putting characters in trouble, writing dialogue, foreshadowing (for me in revisions after I've written the events to be foreshadowed), and even books on plotting and three act (or Shakespearean five act) structure can help you revise and tune up whatever plot you discovered.

Just don't let those books dictate the order in which you use them: You can write now and apply advice on plotting, dialogue, pacing and foreshadowing later to make what you wrote better.

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Amadeus‭

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I don't know about "looking back" and "career", I'm still rather looking forward to that... :)
That said, one piece of advice that really struck me, stuck with me and stayed with me is Neil Gaiman's "Make good art": Write what you love writing, enjoy the process, do it for the art - not for the money. When things go wrong, make good art. When life is terrible, make good art. When things suddenly look up, keep on making good art. Take risks. When you're laying yourself naked on the page, that's when you're starting to get it right. Hold nothing back. Make good art.

Here's a link to his complete "Make Good Art" talk.

So, I don't know if I'm ever going to "make it", but I do know I am going to give it my best, make mistakes, learn from them, make new mistakes. I don't know if it's going to be good enough, but I'm going to enjoy the ride all the way. The hours in a day that I spend writing are the best hours I have.

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Galastel‭

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To me, Stephen King's advice (as seen in a live interview, and asked what advice he had for aspiring writers):

Basically he said, if you want to write, write. Every day. Don't worry about plotting, or any other technical details. That will come, write a story, then write another. Write every day (he does, including his birthday, Christmas, 365 days a year, but he takes breaks between books). If you love writing, then you will learn those technicalities when you realize your story isn't working.

(King is a discovery writer, btw.)

He goes on to make a sharp observation, in my view: That most people that claim they want to be writer are fooling themselves, because what they want is To Have Written. "They want this," he says, waving at the set and his interviewer. The interviews on TV, the book signings, the money from a best-seller, but they don't actually love writing for its own sake. So they will not succeed as a writer, because you cannot fail for years and book after book doing work you don't really love, and that is what it will take, before you are good enough to make any kind of living [in fiction]. And if you don't love writing you just aren't going to learn what you need to get better, even if you put in those years.

King says that before he sold Carrie he was not thinking that all his time would be wasted if he never sold anything. Writing fiction was his pastime, it was fun, and if he only entertained himself by getting his imagination on paper that would be fine. And that is the way to approach writing: Do it because you like it, you like crafting a story, and it entertains you. Stick with it and you will get better. But if you think the only reason to write is for the money you hope to get and would feel like you wasted your time if your story doesn't make a dime, then you should probably quit now, because if you cannot write for it's own sake you shouldn't be trying this profession.

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Amadeus‭

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