Fiction Writing - has it all been done before?

Actually, every fiction book is the same. Check out "The Hero with a Thousand Faces"- it explains the base concept behind any story. The details is all that differ. And it's not only about books. Movies, computer games, paintings, music- in every art genre there is a common idea. So, why do we still listen to the same music? Why do we read the same book about heroes and adventures? Because we are humans- we still love the same things we loved 1000 years ago. I mean Odyssey was written long ago, but you can "upgrade" the story or make your own version of it and it would sell.

posted over 6 years ago

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Sv Sv‭

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I don't think that everything has been done already. There are so many possibilities that one can do.

There was once Tolkien, who made Elves and Dwarves popular. Then we have Lovecraft with Cthulhu and so many else. I only think that the limits of creation are set by people themselves.

Personally I doubt my arts could perform to create something new. Maybe in around 20 years I can try to do that, but not now. People who read fantasy or fiction long after new things. Try to create a new race, make a Background for them and make a story of it. Limits are meant to be broken.

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Pawana‭

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By far not all has been written. Sure, there is a limited amount of patterns, but there is an infinite amount of stories to use them for and all the stories are new variations on the patterns.

What motivated me was a simple problem:
I'm looking since years for books in the style of David Weber's Honorverse, which is a series I enjoy despite some of the flaws (Mary Sue Protagonist, Deus Ex Machinas, ...). I've read dozens of books that have been suggested to me and none of them were actually similar. Sure, they were military sci-fi, but they all were too different in style and scope. One morning I thought to myself, well, if no one else is writing something in the style I like, I guess I'll have to do it myself.

I'm trying writing, because the stories I want to read haven't been done before. I want a story that combines political intrigue, grand strategy, a war where people on neither side are actually evil, and, not the least, big fleets shooting each other in a manner approaching hard sci-fi but not too hard. I also don't want the Mary Sue Characters and Deus Ex Machinas from Weber. No one else has written that, despite the thousands of sci-fi books that have already been written, which is - to me - proof enough that not everything has been written yet, there are still plenty of stories left to tell.

I'm currently more in a writers block because I discovered that I'm actually an awful writer, though for that there are already plenty of tips on this SE that I'll eventually follow :)

posted over 6 years ago

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Morfildur‭

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What techniques? I can give you some ideas, at least.

1. Just remember - it hasn't all been done before, and it never will be. This is the precise reason why new books are written and new music is played. The writers/artists feel that the current canon is irrelevant or not sufficiently expressive of their personal situation, era or understanding. In many cases, new material exists because the current material is simply seen as inadequate. Particularly, new material is created because little material is seen as companionable enough.

2. Remember that you are an individual. No-one has been you before, or will be you again. And no-one can understand, interpret, enjoy or feel things the way you do. In this way the art you create will be distinctive and unique.

I'll give you an analogy from the software world. You can download executable files and run them on your machine. They don't change from executable to executable, your version will be the same as mine. They'll run fine, do their job fine but you may get the odd crash. Or you can compile a program which will then be tailored specifically for your hardware and run better, smoother and more effectively. It's the same with writing. It's great to read the work of others but it may not be specific enough for you - if you write something, it will be personal and expressive to your situation.

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C26‭

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My personal creative mantra is cribbed straight from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya:

If it doesn't already exist, I should just make it myself.

To the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever written a story combining the "save our school by forming a club" set-up of Love Live, with the pure destructive thrill of robot combat (complete with obligatory anime tournament arc). So I'm writing one, because I think it would be awesome.

Of course, as you noted, it's impossible to be completely original these days. If I had a dollar for every time I was watching something and thought, "That's basically [character] from [one of my stories]!", I'd be set for life. So I have my own corollary:

If it does already exist, I can just make my own version.

No two characters, and no two stories, will ever be exactly the same. On those many occasions where I come across a character that resembles one of mine, I try to focus on the differences between them, rather than the similarities. Sure, one of my characters has a very similar personality, lifestyle, and skill set to Futaba Sakura from Persona 5. But nobody can ever accuse me of ripping her off because their physical appearances and character arcs are absolutely nothing alike.

And finally, the most important thing to remember: writing a story that's original is nowhere near as important as writing a story that's actually good. Someone's already written a story similar to the one you want to write? Make a better one.

posted over 6 years ago

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F1Krazy‭

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And yet somehow, every year, new authors sell blockbusters and earn $millions.

JK Rowling went from nobody to being worth nearly half $billion. So did Dan Brown, so did Stephen King, to name a few, so have many others -- And that is just on their share of the profits, their sales are in the multi-billion range. The entertainment industry with a foundation in writing fiction must be worth $trillions.

Obviously, nobody would buy their work if they did not find it new and interesting. Which is why this:

Add to this the supposition that all plots, themes and genres have been thoroughly explored,

is crap; a false supposition.

As for all the books out there: The world is constantly changing, technology is constantly advancing. This is 2018, and nobody on Earth has seen the Earth of 2019. There are no good stories written in 1970 about teens with cell phones and the Internet, or young superhackers taking down the world economy. Any that come remotely close would fall today on ears too sophisticated to sustain their suspension of disbelief, too many details would be wrong and could not have been anticipated.

The same goes for fantasy worlds. Every person is unique and grows up in a unique way with unique experiences, even twins can argue, and have different milestone experiences with different people. So everyone invents different characters, based on what they want to see, and thus everyone creates a different entertainment.

The point of reading fiction is not to understand the structure of the story, it is to meet new people and have fun.

It doesn't make a difference if the plot can be crammed into a one page outline or is similar to a million other plots. If it is done by new characters, in a new place, and we don't know exactly to the word how it will turn out: It can be entertaining.

Yes, of course I know, watching Sherlock or Elementary or half a dozen other Sherlockian super-detective shows that in the typical episode a puzzle will be introduced, frustration will ensue with wrong leads and dead ends, then it will be solved, and the world reset to do it all again next week. So why do we still watch it? What makes this formulaic story entertaining for fifty episodes in a row?

For that matter, why watch any formulaic entertainment, like competition shows for singing or dancing or cooking, or sports? WHY are they entertaining even though we know very much that one will win, the others will lose?

We watch, read, and listen because of the characters, we humans have the unique ability, given decent writing / acting, to suspend disbelief and feel like fictional characters are real and we are sharing their journey and emotions. Making every new character a different story.

No matter how many books are written, there will always be new characters, like there will always be new humans. In old books, the culture of their time is reflected in the writing, like it or not, and they grow stale and anachronistic. Regardless of the setting; fantasy or reality or scifi, in the past, future, or present, new readers want characters that feel like they feel, and the further the book recedes into the past, the less likely that is.

A story needs a plot like a person needs a skeleton. Absolutely a necessity, and yes, skeletons are all very similar with differences hardly worth mentioning: We can classify them all into roughly two types; male and female. Or go further and subdivide skeletons into more classifications like child and adults, broken or missing parts. But when there is flesh on and in the skeleton, it matters less and what we care about is that flesh, what it looks like, what it thinks and says, and that is what is truly unique about every person: That flesh. And that is what is truly unique about every book: Not the plot skeleton, but (in good writing) the unique characters that are the flesh on those bones, the unique puzzle they must solve.

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Amadeus‭

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