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I am currently trying to edit a one my most recent novel. Trying is the keyword. I asked a few people to read my book as beta readers, but all of them have been busy, so no progress on that front.

I have a list of what I consider the major plot problems in my book, but I can't find the energy to fix them.

My book is littered with bad style (I did write it across two NaNoWriMos, so it is naturally in need of some heavy editing), but I can't bring myself to edit the style before the plot is fixed.

Every time I go to edit, I find myself sitting and staring at the screen. Editing, I have learned, is a painful process. I can't get in the mood to edit.

What are your suggestions to fight editor's block? Should I try to find more beta readers and try harder to get them to read it? Should I try to ignore the pain, and edit anyways?

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I'm generally much more messy with my editing than @Fayth85, (I mean, I do not have a procedure, an order of editing things - I just take care of whatever doesn't feel right,) and I do quite a bit of editing while I'm writing (it's how I deal with writing block), but here are some things that have helped me:

  • Get a beta reader to read your book, or at least start reading it. Beta readers have helped me find things that don't work, but no less important - when a beta reader says "I like this", it helps me get more excited and more confident about my work.
  • Discuss plot problems with a friend. Friend can contribute ideas regarding how to solve the problem, or just serve as a willing bouncing wall for your thought process. Either way, you come away with solutions. Said friend doesn't need to have read your story - just give them enough information to understand the problem.
  • If you see a problem in your text and can't find a solution, mark it. (Some people use different colours for different problems, I prefer leaving a comment with brief description of what the problem is, though I wish it were possible to have different-coloured comments), then move on. Don't get bogged down over one problem - that's disheartening. Come back later, and the fresh outlook might help you solve it. The same way one is taught to do exams - not getting bogged down over a question.
  • Solve the plot problems first: dealing with style when you know you'd have to rewrite, maybe throw away, the whole chunk anyway because the plot isn't working, can be disheartening too: it's hard to find the motivation to do what you think might be empty work.
  • Go back to point #1. I find that nothing motivates me as much as hearing "I really like this part, but this other part isn't working." I immediately want to get everything to be as praiseworthy as the part I got praised for.

You would need to do a complete read-through of your work many times, of course, until you are satisfied.

(I should say, @Fayth85's system might be better than my mess. I just don't work well with rigid systems, even ones I set for myself. See what works best for you.)

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My bandaid may not fit your wound, but here it is all the same.

When I'm editing, I break it down into sections to make it more palatable for me and my ADHD-having muse.

First I work on the plot holes and place notes where needs to be beefed up, and where needs to be trimmed.

Then I go in and start trimming the fat. Unneeded scenes marked on the previous pass-through are cut and placed in a separate document (they sometimes come in handy later, so I don't delete).

With this done, I look at my target wordcount, and I allot words to parts that need to be beefed up. Then it's down into beefing up those scenes.

When I'm done with that bit, I go over the whole WIP (Work In Progress) for new plotholes and rough patches and I start marking those (this is purely a read through with leaving notes). Parts that absolutely HAVE to make it into the final draft are highlighted one colour (I prefer green), parts that are a bit rough are highlighted another (I prefer yellow), and parts that are apt to be cut are highlight yet another (I prefer red).

Then I open a new document and I start writing it all again. The green parts of every scene are put in. The yellows are reworded and smoothed out. And the reds are only used if I fall short of an allotted wordcount (but heavily reworked so it no longer makes me cringe).

Once I'm done with this phase, I go for a complete read-through again. If I'm happy with it, I wrap it in a nice little bow, and I send it to my beta readers. If I'm not, I go back to the first phase and start tearing it apart again.

After I get feedback on a chapter-by-chapter basis from my betas, I take their critiques into account and figure out what needs to change on a scene by scene basis (while making meticulous notes what this will affect down the road).

Do this a few times, and I feel confident my work isn't going to make me cringe when I hand it to a cold-beta (who I keep separate from my alpha readers and the betas that have already read the previous drafts).

So how do you stay motivated through it all? Well. What I do is remind myself of one simple fact:

I am a writer. If not this, then what?

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Ditto to the other answers.

I break it down into specific goals. Each pass requires about a week. Check commas and other grammatical issues. Fix instances of passive voice. Make character voices consistent. Add more sensory details. Tighten. Check for adverb abuse. Map to the three act structure. Hammer the protagonist's actions/plot to their goal. Along those lines, make the protagonists choose every decision/rework instances where someone else makes a decision, to them making a decision. (So many details, I gave each a dedicated pass)

My beta readers got the tenth draft and said there was no tension. So the issues I had were fundamental structural issues and I tackled those next.

Add tension. Ramp up emotion. Break story into scenes and sequels, and score each. Look for the emotional turning points - are these correctly timed? remove pointless scenes (cut your darlings.)

I'm on the 22 draft. (I had no idea.) But the end of the story probably needs more dedicated attention because yeah it's tiring.

Evidently this process can be done in four drafts. maybe the next book I can do it in four drafts. :) One can hope.

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Separate concerns.

If you think of editing as "fixing everything in my novel," it's going to be a huge and unmanageable chore, and there's nowhere to begin it that will give you even a sense of progress.

Instead, list the various aspects of the novel you want to fix.

Plot is one aspect; fixing language is another; maybe you have a character whose voice developed and you want to rewrite now that you know them better. And getting feedback from beta readers is both (A) an aspect for you to solve, and (B) something that will give you more issues to address.

Put those aspects into a useful order. You don't need to worry about typos in a chapter you'll be rewriting anyway. Beta feedback will be both more helpful and more enthusiastic if you clear away known major issues first.

Now you have, effectively, a game plan, or a concrete TODO list you can follow.

You can break it down further -- maybe your plot-change requires two new chapters, taking out frequent references to something you've changed, and putting in references to a new element that you've added. Each of those is its own task, and each one of them is pretty manageable!

You can play with the order of tasks. Start with the ones you enjoy, or the ones that energize you. Or, start with something so awful you feel it's dragging the whole book down; something you're dying to see fixed already. Do what works for you -- and cross it off the list.

Maintain your own well-being and focus.

This is a wide topic, but I think some good suggestions for you right now are:

  • Take a break from the manuscript if you need it.

  • Choose a friend who can play cheerleader, who will encourage you about the book, rather than just looking for criticism.

  • Critique other writers' work, in workshops or online forums; that's a great and less-painful way of getting yourself into a more editor-ish mindset.

  • If you enjoy writing but not editing, then:

    • Keep doing writing exercise; keep your creative juices flowing!
    • Try rewriting scenes, rather than editing them; see if you like those better!
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You have already identified the plot as your main problem. As long as the plot remains unfixed, you feel no motivation for fixing the rest.

As you have discovered, you can NOT fix the plot just by staring at the text. The problem isn't confined to single sentences and paragraphs that can be fixed in isolation, but is rather that the different parts of the text doesn't fit together.

You need to close the editor, lean back, and think. I don't know how you do your best thinking, maybe you need a hammock, maybe you need a whiteboard. You know yourself best.

One important part of thinking is no distractions. Internet-connected computers are horrible for that. It is so easy to just pop by Stackexchange or somewhere else. Just say no to that.

You have made a list of plot problems. Good. Select one problem and focus on that.

Any plot problem is that Part A doesn't fit with Part B. A setup that doesn't match its resolution, a character that seems different from one part to another, etc.

It is easy to think "Part B is bad because I have already established Part A." It can be useful to turn that on its head and say "Part A is bad because it doesn't set up properly for part B." This can open your mind to other solutions.

Possible solutions are to remove either part, or to change one or both of them. Or perhaps you need something new elsewhere to make things work out. Since I don't know your exact problems, I cannot say more.

Once you have worked out in broad strokes how to solve the problem, it is time to open the editor again and start editing. Remove what should be removed. Change what should be changed. Add what should be added. Problem solved, on to the next.

The plot will never be perfect. It is important find a point where you say "Good enough" and move on. Then it is time to look at the other problems with style and spelling and whatnot.

Good Luck!

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