It's often a good idea to note your ideas down the moment you have them and then look at them at a later point. This makes sure that you have an interest in it that lasts long enough to actually get something done and you can change some of the biggest things. Most stories are re-written / edited quite a few times before they are released.

If you just can't seem to get into the mood of writing a really long story you could just try a short story and see whether people like that. Maybe the feedback you get will encourage you to make the story a longer one.

In any case: writing is a good idea to help you improve your writing.

If you like the idea while you have your "writer" hat on, but not when you are donning your "reader", but you just can't seem to point out what exactly the reason for this is then writing a short story and having someone read it might be the best thing you can do. Your beta readers or general audience may be able to provide you with clearer feedback about what they don't like from the "reader" perspective. You can use this feedback to learn why you had this feeling, which will help you the next time it comes up so that you can look at your story ideas from a more objective point of view.

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Secespitus‭

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I am a discovery writer, for two reasons. First, I have tried plotting out stories, and for me that takes all the creativity out of writing, I stop caring about the story and give up. It feels like a job, and I think that shows in my writing. I don't feel I write authentically about the character's emotions and lines, when I know exactly how it will all turn out. Other people may like all that planning, but to me it makes writing drudgery.

Secondly, I enjoy stories with the POV of a single heroic, somewhat flawed character. Surrounded by interesting support characters with their own little stories, but the book is about one POV person. John Wick. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Sherlock Holmes. John McClane (Die Hard). James Bond. Harry Potter.

These stories are a simple progression. Our character has a normal life. Some problem intrudes. They try an easy solution and fail, the problem escalates. They absolutely have to solve this problem, which forces them out of their normal life, and into a new reality where they struggle, and get their ass kicked a few times, but eventually learn enough about the problem to prevail. They return to a normal life; perhaps the original one, or a new normal they accept.

So here is what I do with a snippet of an idea: How can I turn this into a big ass problem? Who is this a problem for?

I need a character to focus on, and the character has to have a problem that they cannot walk away from, they have to solve it or lose something they cannot stand to lose. Your snippet of an idea has to yield both the problem, and the character it threatens to deprive, but mostly the character.

Then I start writing the character and their normal life, to introduce them and their world.

As Stephen King says (another discovery writer) every story will turn out somewhere. Just keep your characters forcing changes to move the story forward, don't let them stall or get comfortable in a premature new normal. They have to fight, but only circular fights will last forever, sooner or later the fight ends and they win or lose.

Personally, I always keep some ending in mind about how the problem might be resolved; but I will often change that 3 or 4 times during the course of writing, as I get better ideas. I think of such endings as kind of a compass heading; I don't want to write anything that gets too far off course, or prevents that ending.

If I write something that precludes my idea of an ending, I have to either come up with a better one, or change what I wrote.

Otherwise, I do not sap all my creativity by plotting everything out. My characters do what they do in accordance with their personalities and desires and reasons for being there, and as an author I don't let them get complacent or satisfied more than temporarily, before they get kicked into action again.

I would suggest trying this approach. Maybe you are a discovery writer.

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Amadeus‭

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Why to abandon an idea

In considering the question of whether or not you should write an idea you don’t like, my instinct would be no. If you don’t like it, it will show in the writing. If you are bored writing it, you can guarantee that your reader will be bored reading it. How excited you are by a project always comes across on the page.

Why to press on with an idea

All ideas start as little seeds. You have to give them time to germinate, you need to feed them with research, and give them time to grow.

Natalie Goldberg (Writing Down The Bones is an excellent book for new writers and I highly recommend the audio version) calls this process ‘composting’. You put in all the rubbish and wait for it to turn into beautiful soil.

How to develop an idea

I doubt many writers start out with fully-fleshed out stories. I certainly don’t.

I use Scapple from Literature and Latte to start a novel. It’s like a giant corkboard on which you can pin things. First I’ll pin my nut of an idea, perhaps a working title, maybe an idea for the theme.

If I can picture the characters in my head, I’ll download photos of them (actors and actresses I think could play them in the movie adaptations :) ) and pin those to the board. If that’s all I have, I’ll save the file and leave it.

As Natalie suggests, I give the idea time to compost, allow the seed to germinate. I’ll think about these characters just as I’m about to fall asleep. I’ll let them follow me around all day and see what they do, what they might say, whether they’re good or evil, and if they’re evil, what made them that way.

Each new idea, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant, I’ll pin to my corkboard (and I do this well in advance, while I'm still drafting a previous novel because I know it takes time and you can't rush the muse. She's like a cat; she comes when she feels like it, but most often when there's food around).

So, I feed the muse with research. For example, I barely have anything for my next novel, just a nut of an idea. But I do know that part of it will take place in a high-security psychiatric hospital. So, I feed the muse by researching hospitals, searching for case reports from psychiatrists, reading books like The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat. This research may not provide anything useful but that doesn't matter, all I'm doing is feeding the muse, getting the cogs turning and giving the idea space to grow.

When my Scapple corkboard is fleshed out, I then turn to The Story Grid, which is an excellent resource for developing novels. It’s really about editing existing works but I use it to guide my fleshed-out ideas, create scenes that turn pages, and build a solid framework for a novel.

Don't give up

Out of all the ideas you have had so far, pick the one you're most excited by (even if that's a mediocre amount of excitement) and feed the muse. You may find that it's not so awful after all, and that with time, it develops into something rich and exciting.

If you stop feeding and watering every seed before it even germinates you will never grow anything.

BUT! I would recommend that you don’t start writing until you’re excited about the concept. Write short stories as Secespitus suggests.

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GGx - Reinstate Monica Cellio‭

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CON:

The reasons to not write something you wouldn't read are pretty easy and straightforward:

• You are a stand-in for your potential audience. If even you aren't interested in this idea, that audience may not exist.
• It's hard to do a good job writing something that doesn't engage you.
• If you're writing in a unfamiliar genre, your writing may appear cliched and amateurish to that genre's fans.

PRO

In some ways the potential reasons to push on anyway are more interesting:

• Not all writing is for publication. This writing may represent important learning for you, or inform your eventual published writing in some important way.
• Not all ideas show all their magic at once --just like not all love is love at first sight. Sometimes the best final product comes from unpromising seeds.
• Some writing --particularly fantasy --can help you personally explore your subconscious, and other internal psychological territory.
• Sometimes an outsider to a genre can bring a fresh new perspective or ideas. It's not unheard of for successful fantasy books to be written by people who don't typically read fantasy.
• If you have a pattern of giving up on all your ideas, then at some point you need to just push on through with one, all the way to the end. "Losing interest" can be a symptom of a mental block against completing a writing project.

This needs to be your own choice, but if there's something in this idea you're having trouble letting go of, I'd say go ahead and explore it --at least until you feel you've worked through it, and there's nothing more to gain out of it.

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Chris Sunami‭

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An option that I see often used in November during NanoWrimo is to "free the plot bunnies" -- if an idea occurs to you (maybe a Leprechaun/Ghoul romance and a particular issue to solve), but you really don't like romances, you can post the sketch of the idea into a "plot bunnies" thread, and then anyone who DOES want to do a supernatural romance, but is tired of vampires, can take your concept and run with it! Several someones could!

Elizabeth Gilbert's TED Talk about "genius" may be helpful -- the idea may come to you, but if it's not the right one for you, that's ok -- you can publicize it to let it find a good home, or just ignore it and it will find a different artist.

...the musician Tom Waits,... for most of his life, he was pretty much the embodiment of the tormented contemporary modern artist, trying to control and manage and dominate these sort of uncontrollable creative impulses that were totally internalized.

...

So he starts to feel all of that old anxiety start to rise in him like, "I'm going to lose this thing, and I'll be be haunted by this song forever. I'm not good enough, and I can't do it." And instead of panicking, he just stopped. He just stopped that whole mental process and he did something completely novel. He just looked up at the sky, and he said, "Excuse me, can you not see that I'm driving? Do I look like I can write down a song right now? If you really want to exist, come back at a more opportune moment when I can take care of you. Otherwise, go bother somebody else today. Go bother Leonard Cohen."

And his whole work process changed after that. Not the work, the work was still oftentimes as dark as ever. But the process, and the heavy anxiety around it was released when he took the genie, the genius out of him where it was causing nothing but trouble, and released it back where it came from, and realized that this didn't have to be this internalized, tormented thing

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April Salutes Monica C.‭

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