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How can we revitalize our community?

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We've had low activity on our community for a while. Low activity means people visit less often, which means lower activity because they're not here asking and answering... iterate. We have ads active Somewhere Else, but without activity, people who follow them are unlikely to stick around.

We set up this community in a hurry early on, making the best decisions we could at the time. We've learned things since then. If we were starting today, I would argue against bulk data import and instead focus on new work and selective import of high-quality posts we're attached to from over there. I don't know if our large amount of imported content is part of the problem or orthogonal.

We had a great community elsewhere, and then the corporate shenanigans broke it and many people left, but we didn't succeed in picking up here where we left off.

What can we do to increase participation here and make our community more attractive to visitors? Should we reset -- delete most of the imported content (if it hasn't been edited), do some targeted recruiting, and try to start fresh? Or does our community, once broken, not recover?

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I wonder if segregating content that was imported and not further improved would help. Create a new category, maybe called "Archive", and move there any post that hasn't had any modifications post-import. This means those of us who want to preserve our bodies of work can, but people visiting the Q&A category (the default) will see locally-active content only.

Posts in the archive can be improved; they wouldn't be locked. I'm proposing this as a way to separate content, not lock anything down. We could then move improved posts back to Q&A. The idea is that Q&A would represent "stuff that happened here", and imported posts would remain available. Longer-term we can then discuss whether we should do any pruning of the imports.

Would this help?

Followup: alternative suggestion, based on comments here.

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Mark Baker‭ wrote almost 4 years ago

It won't help with Google seeing it as duplicate content, which won't help with our SEO. Also, it isn't really an archive of this site. It was not created here, but elsewhere. Its an archive of that other site, and says so on every item. And its not an up to date archive of that other site. So what is its function, really? It's never going to outrank the other place in search results, so its not going to generate traffic here.

Mark Baker‭ wrote almost 4 years ago

Really, what it represents is a body of work for the people who created it. Which is bully for us, but beyond that, I don't see the value. I have my archive of my post on the other place and will rework some of them into blogpost maybe someday. To thrive, this place needs to be a better place to ask new questions. And we know that the same basic questions get asked over and over again anyway, so its not like we will be desperately short of coverage for long, if we can spark interest again.

Mark Baker‭ wrote almost 4 years ago

A new place, without all the stale old answers of a decade past might actually be a more attractive proposition than a branch of the old thing. Everyone love the next great app, right? If we can find a way to make it new.

Monica Cellio‭ wrote almost 4 years ago

@MarkBaker, are you suggesting we delete the imports (if we haven't improved them; I know some have been edited)? Not opposed, just asking for clarification.

Mark Baker‭ wrote almost 4 years ago

I think so. It's a mausoleum here. And the old imported content is getting few votes (I just checked mine). But its the SEO issue with copied content that concerns me most. https://www.hobo-web.co.uk/duplicate-content-problems/ "Do NOT expect to rank high in Google with content found on other, more trusted sites."

Mark Baker‭ wrote almost 4 years ago

Subject to correction, I believe that people come here two ways. 1. They come here directly to ask a new question, without searching for an old one. 2. They Google a question and are directed here by the search results. But the search results are not likely to point to the content copied here from the other place, per the above. So what good is the old content doing us? Finally, we are providing thousands of back links to the other place, which, if anything, helps them and harms us.

Mark Baker‭ wrote almost 4 years ago

Plus, what Olin Lathrop said about the message the copied content sends when people do find it. I'll admit I came here because I felt like I got my content back. But as writers we have to learn to see it from the public's POV. Why trust this place when it is so obviously a copy of the other place. We are leading people to the other place, not away from it.

Monica Cellio‭ wrote almost 4 years ago

@MarkBaker I agree with that assessment, but had previously perceived you to oppose deleting imported content. Thanks for clearing that up. Speaking for myself, I do have a few imported posts that I went on to improve, and I want to give them a new life here, but since I've claimed them they no longer provide back-pointers or are exact copies. So I think we could do this in stages -- delete imported unclaimed unimproved stuff in any case, and separately decide about the rest.

Mark Baker‭ wrote almost 4 years ago

Not so much opposed as acknowledging that the import play a part in attracting some of the old contributors over here, including me. But they are here now, if we haven't lost them all again. And the arguments against keeping the imported content seem compelling to me. A staged approach makes sense. Personally I won't be updating any of my content here. If I rework anything it will be for my blog.

Mark Baker‭ wrote almost 4 years ago

Some thought should probably go into the content of the 404 page for the questions section, though, in case we do get any search hits on the content that is removed.